It all comes together to create a sound others have called "underwater" or "far away," though what they use to create those elaborate layers would have to be called rudimentary — a 12-year-old computer program that by Barber's own admission "really doesn't do anything but cut and paste." But he's always used it, he's comfortable with it, and, despite such inconveniences as the program freezing up once it gets over 150 megabytes, they don't consider it constraining. "It allows you to be so finite in what you cut and paste, and it's more truthful in a way," Barber said.